CLUG Notes November 22, 2009
Attendees: Amy Shigley, Bill Marshall, Carolyn Mann, Dale Burke, David Jacobson, David Winney, Elizabeth Treadgold, Elmo Cooper, Gary Douglas, Gisela Dicklin, Jolene Kovesdi, Joshua Madakor, Judy Forth, Kyle Berns, Lorraine Necaisse, Marti Baker, Michael Yocom, Rod Halverson, Steve Higdon, Thao Nu Phuong Nguyen
Print Management System
How is the new system working in your room(s)?
- There was not much feedback on this topic. The system seemed to be working well in all areas that needed to print.
Microsoft’s new operating system, Windows 7, was released 10/22/09.
A final decision on the move to Windows 7 for fall quarter 2010 in the computer labs needs to be made by 2/12/10.
- Will your class(es) need to use this new operating system for Fall 2010?
- Representatives from CIS expressed strong desire to move to Windows 7 for fall 2010.
- Will our current computer labs be able to run Windows 7?
- 350 computers will need a RAM upgrade
- 260 computers will need to be completely replaced
- Will there be money to upgrade or replace old hardware?
- ACS has put in funding requests to critical needs and will request funding from TIMC
- Which version – 32-bit or 64-bit
- The pros and cons of each version of Windows 7 are in the attached file, W7-32 vs 64. (The contents of this file are below.)
- While 64-bit is preferred, not all current software will run on 64-bit. Some labs may need to run on 32-bit until all software is upgraded
- Will old software run on Windows 7?
- Microsoft’s Windows 7 Compatibility Center allows you to Scan your PC for compatibility with Windows 7. The site also allows you to check for compatibility with specific software titles and versions:
- The attached Windows 7 Compatibility spreadsheet includes information on which current software titles are compatible with Windows 7. Please keep in mind that this is a preliminary review and many smaller companies have not yet tested their software on Windows 7. In the weeks and months to come it is expected that more software titles will be compatible with Windows 7. (This spreadsheet is below.)
ACS is currently recommending that the computer labs hold off going to Windows 7 until fall quarter 2011.
- Windows 7 will have been released for only 4 months by the time the final decision is necessary. We do not recommend rolling out a new Windows operating system in a production environment until the first service pack has been released. Based on history, the first service pack would not be available until the middle of fall 2010.
- Some of the major software applications used in the labs will not currently run or there is no information on their ability to run on Windows 7. If we wait until the fall of 2011 to go to Windows 7, more information will be available and vendors will have had a chance to update their software. If there is a cost to upgrade a software application, this would give departments more time to find funding.
- If we wait until fall 2011 to go to Windows 7, the labs will have had the benefit of 2 cycles of TIMC funding to upgrade the equipment and less funding would need to come from critical needs.
In summary, ACS is a solutions provider and if Instructional Leadership feels that
there is an instructional imperative to go to
Windows 7 for fall 2010, ACS can make the move, provided the equipment is upgraded and the final decision is made by 2/12/10.
- Please follow up w/ your dean and let them know your feelings on moving to Windows 7 for fall 2010.
- Jessica Wallace and Rod Halverson will get on IL’s agenda to talk about going to Windows 7 in the computer labs
- A final decision on the move to Windows 7 for fall quarter 2010 in the computer labs needs to be made by 2/12/10. The decision needs to be made by IL.
Windows 7 - 64 bit vs. 32 bit
Pros of 64 Bit
- Can address more than 4 GB of RAM (up to 192 GB)
- Will support all applications written for 64 bit
- Computer will run faster, enabling slightly faster start up’s, making better use of classtime
- student applications will run faster and more efficiently, especially high end graphical apps (AutoCAD, Maya, Solidworks, Photoshop), which enables better use of class time
- Because of the expanded memory support (more than 4 GB) you can more easily support local instances of virtual machines for classrooms and labs
- There are a ton of 64 bit drivers being put out every day to support the higher end hardware and software
- All 64 bit applications will run faster and more efficiently, enabling better use of student’s class time
- 64 bit applications are the goal of the industry from here on out
- Can use the memory remapping feature of modern BIOS’s
- You can really use all 4 GB of RAM if its installed
- Resource hungry applications (McAfee) will run better in the background and not hog your resources to function
- All hardware from the last couple of years has been designed with 64 bit in mind
- Microsoft Office 2010 will have a 64 bit that may make Access and Excel function better
- Enhanced security with hardware-backed DEP
- Mandatory driver signing for protection, enhancing security and functionality
Cons of 64 Bit
- Any 32 bit software will be restricted to 4 GB of memory
- 16 bit applications will no longer run
- Some existing software will have to be replaced, as it will no longer work properly
- 32 bit drivers no longer work
- Some 32 bit applications may run slower (slight degradation in performance) in 64 bit mode due to additional overhead required
- We currently have some hardware that will not work with 64 bit
- Unsigned kernel-mode drivers no longer work
Pros of 32 Bit
- Will run minimally on 2 GB of RAM, but 4 GB would be better
- All 32 bit drivers will continue to work
- Unsigned kernel-mode drivers will still work
- There are a lot of software applications already produced in 32 bit, enabling a wider selection
- Likely more currently used EdCC software applications will run on 32 bit
Cons of 32 Bit
- If you install 4 GB of RAM on a 32 bit machine, you are wasting 1 GB of RAM (because it only really sees about 3 GB after IO reservations are factored in)
- High end graphical software (AutoCAD, Solidworks, Maya) will function at a lower level and be slower running